Posts by Black Sheep

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The Smoke and Mirrors of the Annual Meeting

by Billy the Ex-Bethelite in

the annual meeting seems to boil down to an opening talk about an "exciting new" bible museum and a closing talk about an "exciting new" new world translation.

sandwiched in between were the wt summary, a talk about indoctrinating the children fast/furious, and some "trip down memory lane.".

why would this "spiritual feast" seem to be anticlimactic?

Black Sheep

Die, and miss out on being part of 'The Great Crowd.

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AGM is not streamed live, but a download.

by SyntaxError1974 in

jw
friends

there have been several posts where individuals are asking if it is possible to hack into and watch the agm as it is streamed to the conventions.

i say it is not streamed live like many are assuming, but a recorded download played for the audience.. why?

a live stream has many possible points of failure.

Black Sheep

Talking to a Dub who is setting it up for the local KH. It is streamed. They will be getting it at 10:00 am New Zealand time.

New York, Saturday, 5 October 2013 at 5:00 p.m

London, Saturday, 5 October 2013 at 10:00 p.m

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converted.html?iso=20131006T10&p1=22&p2=179&p3=136

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My Parents were pissed when I didn't get baptized forty years ago. They get over it. Being an unbaptized born in is a helluva lot better than being DA or DF. Never answer her questions unless she has asked you one you want. She is the one who is preaching that she has the way to your salvation, so make her answer your question and make her feel guilty for every tactic she ever uses to weasel her way out of answering your question. If you can make it only one very important question and insist on her, (not an Elder, it must be her) answering that question, honestly, you might be able to tame the beast. It worked for me. Ask a question that sends her off to find an official answer that has never been honestly addressed by the WT and never let her change the subject by any means. The more she wants to avoid that question, the more insistent you should be that it should be answered. She has to feel guilt for avoiding the question, trying to bully you, lying, using double standards, whatever tricks she uses. She has to know that you have higher standards than her. She has to know that you do not feel guilty for not being bullied into joining a church of her choice, especially if she won't honestly discuss it's doctrines/failings/whatever. I didn't say it would be easy.

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Combatting cult mind control by steven hassan

by goddidit in

so i've been hearing a lot of good things about this book.

apparently, some of its readers were actual believing jws and it deprogrammed them.. i'm curious why they read it in the first place though, since jws are discouraged from reading anything outside their own literature.. i know a recent convert who i'd like to help.

i could buy him the book.

Black Sheep

I'm a nevabinadub, and I've never read any of his books. I just wouldn't try to coerce anyone into reading a book I hadn't bothered to read myself.

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Faders shunned now?

by Sammy Jenkis in

hi all so my family had their c.a.

last weekend and my mother dropped this one on me, she'll now be treating me as a df'd person per info she received from a talk at the assembly.

apparently a fader should be treated as "bad association" given the fact they up and left the holy "truth" to splash around in vomit.. .

Black Sheep

If you want to have any sort of half decent relationship with your fully indoctrinated family members after you leave a cult, you have to be the last to leave. If you are prepared to put up with a dysfunctional relationship, fade. They get their cult mentality from their cult leaders. The questions they ask you are rote cult questions. You have to stop playing the cult's game. Stop giving it's members the answers they expect. Stop triggering cult responses. If the litteratrash warned against listening to what you are about to say, don't say it. Get clever. Remember every warning the cult ever gave about apostates and the 'tricks' they use and use those warnings to your advantage instead of throwing yourself at the wall they have provided to protect your family from you.

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Combatting cult mind control by steven hassan

by goddidit in

so i've been hearing a lot of good things about this book.

apparently, some of its readers were actual believing jws and it deprogrammed them.. i'm curious why they read it in the first place though, since jws are discouraged from reading anything outside their own literature.. i know a recent convert who i'd like to help.

i could buy him the book.

Black Sheep

Read it yourself, then ask yourself the question.

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16GB and growing... Would you like to have all the WT literature?

by ILoveTTATT in

jw
friends

did you know you can actually download all of the wt literature?

not only that, but books that help discredit the wt, such as de cruce justus lipsus.... it would be useful to confirm it if you have any doubts that any quotes actually appeared in wt literature.

the nice part about the website is that it is a formal website hosted in the library of alexandria... so you can be sure this is legitimate material.. i have checked many of the old books by comparing them to pictures of old books in the kh and yes, they are legit.. who wants the link?.

Black Sheep

It isn't "all" and it isn't new, but it is growing.

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Do you have any "one-liners" for drive-by witnessing?

by Faithful Witness in

i am looking for things i can say in passing, when i meet some of my jw friends.

we used to attend meetings, but have not been officially recognized yet, as apostates.

we were good and curious students, but fell away and were choked out by weeds.. since i will be renewing my bible student status soon, i am hoping this will open more windows into the organization.

Black Sheep

The questions you are liking are ones that you feel are important.

You need questions that they feel are important ... and that you already know the official answer/non-answer for and how to deal with that.

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The door bell rang today

by ABibleStudent in

jw
friends

just before i started undressing to take a shower to go to an appointment, the door bell rang.

i thought about not answering the door, but then thought what the hell it could be my neighbor, who is a widow and in her 70's, needing some help.. at the door was a frail man about 85+ years old dressed in a shabby sport coat, shirt, tie, and slacks, and a skinny woman about 75+ years old in a long dress that needed to be ironed.

as i grabbed my dog to prevent him from jumping at the screen door, which was partially open, and beating the couple with his tail and making them fall, i thought what am i going to do.

Black Sheep

Why should the children of their converts suffer while they get off scott free?

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Faders shunned now?

by Sammy Jenkis in

hi all so my family had their c.a.

last weekend and my mother dropped this one on me, she'll now be treating me as a df'd person per info she received from a talk at the assembly.

apparently a fader should be treated as "bad association" given the fact they up and left the holy "truth" to splash around in vomit.. .

Black Sheep

Apparently a fader should be treated as "bad association" given the fact they up and left the holy "truth" to splash around in vomit.

Why the vomit reference?

If you want to fade .... keep your trap shut and just fade. If you tell her why you are fading .... your chances of being shunned go through the roof.